> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Roman Divacky
> <rdivacky@freebsd.org> wrote:
>>>> there's an ongoing work on nouveau, so stay tuned :)
>>>>
>>> Yes, that will take many years to complete, or at least, produce a
>>> rotating cube or maybe, maybe run glxgears in around 2012.
>>
>> I am currently running accelerated glgears on freebsd using nouveau.
>> thnx for your enthusiasm :)
>>
> While I've been a little sarcastic, yes, there is some preliminary 3D
> support in nouveau. Still, then you can say that there are fairly good
> Direct3D accelerated drivers for S3 Virge out there (really, there
> are).
>
> Let's look only on the nouveau front page:
> Current Status
> 2D-support is in fairly good shape with EXA acceleration, Xv and
> Randr12 (think of dual-head, rotations, etc.). Randr12 should work for
> all cards up to, and including, Geforce 9000 series, although some
> issues with Geforce 8/9 laptops may still exist, for such issues bug
> reports should be submitted. Randr12 is now the default. Any 3D
> functionality that might exist is still unsupported, do not ask for
> instructions to try it. Also, VT switching while X is running is
> considered lucky.
>
> (yes it's sittinge there for a long time and stuff moved forward a bit
> in meantime, but, well..)
>
> Feature matrix?
>
http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix
> "4 - While some support for 3D exists, it is far from mature. And even
> if it was mature, the particular feature you need, be it oddball
> texture compression formats and whatnot, may not be there. Yet.
> Patches welcome."
>
> Roman, while I appreciate everyone's work on nouveau, be it you,
> Robert or anyone else, you seriously don't believe to be running Doom
> 3 or Quake 7.65 on it for yet next few years.. Don't you think? You
> make it sound like nouveau is "just around the corner" and, I don't
> know, judging from the immediately following "wow wow wow" reaction, I
> don't think that's very nice to some of the 'regular' folks around
> (not trying to make a point with the poster, just thinking generally).
>
> Just look at the sad state of oss ATI accelerated drivers (and to
> avoid being autoattacked by some trigger-happy ATI fanboy, I run both
> nvidia and ati setups, thank you) and those are out for quite some
> time, with tons of specs released by AMD/ATI every other month..
> Result? (Almost) perfectly running glxgears. Ever tried to run a game
> with it? Heck, even GL accelerated Duke Nukem 3D for a start? The
> outcome is so horrible that you want to poke your eyes out with a
> screwdriver just to get rid of that image (if only one could call that
> an image - "a message from a black hole" would be probably more
> appropriate).
>
> So don't get me wrong, I'm all in support for nouveau as everyone
> else, but I still just have that funny feeling when you make it sound
> like "hey guys, screw the official drivers, they already don't matter
> at all, nouveau is coming". Yes, nouveau is coming (sort of), it will
> fill some part of the "market", similiarly as 'nv' does now, but
> official drivers are not going anywhere, not for years to come and
> definitely not if you want to go for some gaming (Tuxracer is not a
> game, seriously), or want to get some other rather serious OpenGL
> stuff done (and by that I don't mean compiz whooshy windows, though
> that would -still- be a good start).
>
> Anyway - while this reply IS a little bit offtopic (and long, and
> flamebait, etc.), I just wanted to point out a few things before
> people start running around waving and screaming "omg did you hear
> that? they have oss opengl nvidia drivers running in real 3D!
> jesuschrist I'm going to ... !"
>
> And, you know. Like that.
>
> Disclaimer: I'm not a nouveau developer, just a long time lurker, here
> and there. Nothing I said is a fact or anything remotely close to
> that.
