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From: Kevin Ballard
Subject: Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names
Date: Monday, January 21, 2008 - 5:47 pm

Please read to the bottom of this email. As near as I can figure out,  
you haven't done that on any of my previous emails.

On Jan 21, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:


When I say "treat filenames as unicode" I'm implying the equivalence  
comparisons and everything else that we've been talking about.


If that's what "as unicode" meant, then the phrase "as unicode" has  
zero meaning.


No, you've argued against unicode equivalency in filenames. Can't you  
figure out, when the entire time I've been talking about equivalency,  
that I'm *still* talking about equivalency?


Yes, I understand quite well that you are against munging strings.


You're not using raw UTF-8, you're just using raw bytes. Calling it  
UTF-8 doesn't mean anything, since you don't actually know that's what  
it is. But this is fairly irrelevant.


How many times must I say the same thing over and over? I'm not  
arguing that forced normalization is a good thing. I'm arguing that,  
in a system which is unicode-aware top to bottom, forced normalization  
is irrelevant to the user, since they don't care about the exact byte  
sequence. And I'm also arguing that git should have some solution to  
this problem. I find it interesting that you're perfectly happy to  
rant and rail against your misperception of my argument, and yet you  
consistently and repeatedly ignore my offers to stop this argument and  
work towards a solution, as well as my comments on existing proposed  
solutions.

Are you even reading to the end of my emails?

- Kevin Ballard

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git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Wed Jan 16, 8:17 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 8:34 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 8:43 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 9:32 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jakub Narebski, (Wed Jan 16, 9:46 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 1:39 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jakub Narebski, (Wed Jan 16, 2:51 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 3:06 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 3:23 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 3:32 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Eyvind Bernhardsen, (Wed Jan 16, 3:37 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 3:52 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Wed Jan 16, 4:03 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 4:11 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 4:16 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 4:38 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Wed Jan 16, 4:52 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 4:57 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Wed Jan 16, 4:58 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 5:09 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 5:16 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 5:19 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 5:25 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 5:27 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Wed Jan 16, 5:32 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 5:33 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 5:35 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 5:40 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 5:43 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 5:45 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Wed Jan 16, 5:54 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 5:57 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 6:06 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 6:08 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 6:16 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 6:41 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 8:52 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 9:07 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 9:08 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 9:30 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jay Soffian, (Wed Jan 16, 9:43 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Wed Jan 16, 9:51 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jay Soffian, (Wed Jan 16, 9:59 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 10:11 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jan 16, 10:15 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 10:23 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Geert Bosch, (Wed Jan 16, 11:13 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mitch Tishmack, (Thu Jan 17, 12:11 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Miles Bader, (Thu Jan 17, 12:29 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Thu Jan 17, 3:08 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Thu Jan 17, 3:22 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Thu Jan 17, 3:28 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jan 17, 4:10 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 4:23 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Thu Jan 17, 4:46 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Thu Jan 17, 4:51 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jan 17, 5:53 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jan 17, 6:05 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Thu Jan 17, 6:40 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Thu Jan 17, 6:44 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Andrew Heybey, (Thu Jan 17, 7:02 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Thu Jan 17, 8:04 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jan 17, 8:57 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 9:43 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Thu Jan 17, 9:53 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Thu Jan 17, 11:09 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 11:12 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jan 17, 11:18 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Thu Jan 17, 11:36 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 11:38 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 11:42 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 11:44 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Thu Jan 17, 11:50 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 11:52 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Thu Jan 17, 12:01 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 12:02 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 12:11 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Thu Jan 17, 2:27 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, JM Ibanez, (Thu Jan 17, 3:01 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jan 17, 3:09 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 4:05 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Thu Jan 17, 4:10 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Thu Jan 17, 5:18 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 5:35 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Robin Rosenberg, (Thu Jan 17, 5:44 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Robin Rosenberg, (Thu Jan 17, 6:05 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 6:24 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Robin Rosenberg, (Thu Jan 17, 6:27 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Fri Jan 18, 1:29 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Fri Jan 18, 1:49 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Robin Rosenberg, (Fri Jan 18, 2:42 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Fri Jan 18, 3:19 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Fri Jan 18, 3:30 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Fri Jan 18, 3:50 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Jan 18, 4:16 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Fri Jan 18, 8:30 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Fri Jan 18, 8:37 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jan 18, 10:11 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Fri Jan 18, 1:24 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Jan 18, 1:28 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Jan 18, 1:50 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sat Jan 19, 1:48 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Sat Jan 19, 7:55 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Jan 19, 11:58 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kyle Moffett, (Sat Jan 19, 12:29 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Sat Jan 19, 12:57 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Sat Jan 19, 1:39 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sat Jan 19, 2:17 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Sat Jan 19, 3:58 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Sat Jan 19, 5:11 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Jan 19, 6:04 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mike Hommey, (Sat Jan 19, 10:27 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Jan 19, 10:45 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sat Jan 19, 11:14 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Jan 19, 11:53 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mike Hommey, (Sun Jan 20, 12:00 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Jan 20, 12:26 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sun Jan 20, 1:00 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sun Jan 20, 1:12 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Sun Jan 20, 2:34 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Sun Jan 20, 6:15 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Mon Jan 21, 7:14 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 9:43 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jeff King, (Mon Jan 21, 9:53 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Nicolas Pitre, (Mon Jan 21, 10:08 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 10:25 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 11:12 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 11:16 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 12:05 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 12:41 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mike Hommey, (Mon Jan 21, 12:44 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 12:57 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 12:58 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 1:01 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 1:15 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 1:30 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 1:31 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Mon Jan 21, 1:32 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 1:33 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Mon Jan 21, 1:35 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 1:36 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 1:46 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 1:53 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 1:56 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Mon Jan 21, 1:58 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 1:59 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 2:06 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 2:07 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Mon Jan 21, 2:09 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 2:17 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 2:28 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 2:33 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 2:42 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 2:43 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 2:49 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 3:34 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 3:41 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 3:45 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 3:46 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 3:53 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 3:56 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 4:00 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 4:09 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 4:21 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 4:44 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 5:47 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 6:01 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 6:13 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 7:33 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 7:50 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 8:04 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 8:17 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 8:21 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 9:22 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Eric W. Biederman, (Tue Jan 22, 7:46 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Jan 22, 7:57 pm)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Jan 23, 7:26 am)
Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jan 23, 2:19 pm)