Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert

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From: Junio C Hamano
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 2:05 pm

Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org> writes:


I keep hearing "blame" in this discussion, but I do not understand why
people think blame should _follow_ this "origin" information (in the usual
sense of "following").

Suppose you cherry-pick an existing commit from unrelated context:

         ...---A---B
                    . (origin)
                     .
        ...---o---X---Y---Z

i.e. on top of X the difference to bring A to B is applied to produce Y,
and a new development Z is made on top.  You start digging from Z.

Without any "origin", here is how blame works:

 * What Z did is blamed on Z; what Z did not change is passed to Y;

 * Y needs to:
 
   (1) take responsibility for what it changed; and/or

   (2) the remaining contents came from X --- pass the blame to it.

Let's see how we would want "origin" get involved.  Instead of the above,
what Y would do would be:

   (1) if the contents (excluding the part Z changed) is different from X,
       instead of taking the blame itself, give the _final_ blame to B.

   (2) the remainder is passed to X as usual.

This is different from the normal "following" in that B is not allowed to
pass the blame to its parents (should it be allowed to pass it to its
"origin"?), because the _only thing_ cherry-pick did was to transport what
B did (relative to A) to the unrelated history that led to X.

IOW, you did not look at the contents outside "diff A..B" when you made
the cherry-pick.  There could well be parts of the content that are common
across all of A, Y, X and Z, but as far as Y and Z are concerned, they did
not get any part of that common common content from A (otherwise "origin"
is no different from "parent", but you did not merge).

The output from "origin" aware blame would be identical to the normal
blame, except that lines that usually are labeled with Y are labeled with
B.  However:

   (1) If you _are_ interested in the line that says Y, you can look at
       the commit object Y and see "cherry-pick -x" information to learn
       it came from B already; and

   (2) More importantly, if you want to dig deeper by peeling the blamed
       line (I think gitweb allows this, and probably git-gui), you
       shouldn't peel that line blamed on B to start running blame at A.
       That would continue digging the history of A, which is wrong when
       you are examining the history that led to Z.

So please leave "blame" out of this discussion.
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[RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 6:22 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Tue Sep 9, 6:38 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 6:48 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 7:04 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jakub Narebski, (Tue Sep 9, 8:44 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Steven Grimm, (Tue Sep 9, 9:38 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 12:43 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jeff King, (Tue Sep 9, 12:59 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 1:25 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Sep 9, 1:42 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Shawn O. Pearce, (Tue Sep 9, 1:47 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jeff King, (Tue Sep 9, 1:50 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jakub Narebski, (Tue Sep 9, 1:54 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Sep 9, 2:05 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jeff King, (Tue Sep 9, 2:09 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Petr Baudis, (Tue Sep 9, 2:13 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jakub Narebski, (Tue Sep 9, 3:35 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 3:56 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Petr Baudis, (Tue Sep 9, 4:05 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jakub Narebski, (Tue Sep 9, 4:07 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 4:08 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 4:32 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Sep 9, 4:35 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 4:36 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 4:58 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jakub Narebski, (Tue Sep 9, 4:59 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 5:13 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Sep 9, 5:23 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Tue Sep 9, 10:42 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Wed Sep 10, 1:10 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Wed Sep 10, 1:30 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Wed Sep 10, 1:45 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, and more ..., Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 4:49 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Theodore Tso, (Wed Sep 10, 5:21 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, and more ..., Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 6:14 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 7:16 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jeff King, (Wed Sep 10, 8:10 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, and more ..., Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 8:15 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 10, 8:30 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 10, 8:32 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Wed Sep 10, 8:37 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 10, 8:43 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 10, 8:46 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Wed Sep 10, 8:57 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Theodore Tso, (Wed Sep 10, 9:18 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jakub Narebski, (Wed Sep 10, 9:23 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Petr Baudis, (Wed Sep 10, 9:40 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Wed Sep 10, 10:58 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Miklos Vajna, (Wed Sep 10, 1:32 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Sep 10, 1:55 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Miklos Vajna, (Wed Sep 10, 2:06 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 2:50 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jeff King, (Wed Sep 10, 2:54 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 3:34 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 3:44 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jeff King, (Wed Sep 10, 3:55 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 4:09 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 4:15 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 4:19 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 10, 5:39 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Sep 10, 7:46 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Wed Sep 10, 10:16 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Sep 10, 11:22 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 12:55 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jakub Narebski, (Thu Sep 11, 1:20 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Thu Sep 11, 1:45 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, A Large Angry SCM, (Thu Sep 11, 5:28 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 5:31 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, A Large Angry SCM, (Thu Sep 11, 5:33 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 5:39 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Theodore Tso, (Thu Sep 11, 6:51 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Nicolas Pitre, (Thu Sep 11, 8:02 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 8:32 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 11, 8:39 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 9:00 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Thu Sep 11, 9:01 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 11, 9:23 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jakub Narebski, (Thu Sep 11, 9:53 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Nicolas Pitre, (Thu Sep 11, 10:02 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Theodore Tso, (Thu Sep 11, 11:00 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 11:44 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 12:03 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 12:23 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Nicolas Pitre, (Thu Sep 11, 12:33 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 12:44 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Nicolas Pitre, (Thu Sep 11, 12:45 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 12:55 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Nicolas Pitre, (Thu Sep 11, 1:00 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Nicolas Pitre, (Thu Sep 11, 1:03 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Theodore Tso, (Thu Sep 11, 1:04 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jakub Narebski, (Thu Sep 11, 1:05 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 1:16 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 1:22 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 1:24 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Nicolas Pitre, (Thu Sep 11, 1:27 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Theodore Tso, (Thu Sep 11, 2:01 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Sep 11, 2:05 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jeff King, (Thu Sep 11, 2:46 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 3:32 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 3:40 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 3:56 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jeff King, (Thu Sep 11, 4:01 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 11, 4:10 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 4:17 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jeff King, (Thu Sep 11, 4:26 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Sam Vilain, (Thu Sep 11, 4:28 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 4:36 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 11, 4:44 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, A Large Angry SCM, (Thu Sep 11, 5:03 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 5:13 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, A Large Angry SCM, (Thu Sep 11, 5:30 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Sam Vilain, (Thu Sep 11, 7:24 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 10:39 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 10:47 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Rogan Dawes, (Thu Sep 11, 11:19 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Thu Sep 11, 11:56 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Fri Sep 12, 1:40 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Fri Sep 12, 1:50 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Theodore Tso, (Fri Sep 12, 7:58 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Fri Sep 12, 8:05 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Sep 12, 8:11 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Paolo Bonzini, (Fri Sep 12, 8:40 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Fri Sep 12, 8:54 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Theodore Tso, (Fri Sep 12, 9:00 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Jeff King, (Fri Sep 12, 9:19 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Fri Sep 12, 9:43 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Theodore Tso, (Fri Sep 12, 11:44 am)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Fri Sep 12, 1:56 pm)
Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, Sam Vilain, (Mon Sep 15, 5:21 am)