Re: remove zero_page (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24)

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From: Linus Torvalds
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 - 8:21 am

On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:

Yes. I'd happily accept the patch, but I'd want it clarified and made 
obvious what the problem was - and it wasn't the zero page itself, it was 
a regression in the VM that made it less palatable.

I also thought that there were potentially better solutions, namely to 
simply avoid the VM regression, but I also acknowledge that they may not 
be worth it - I just want them to be on the table.

In short: the real cost of the zero page was the reference counting on the 
page that we do these days. For example, I really do believe that the 
problem could fairly easily be fixed by simply not considering zero_page
to be a "vm_normal_page()". We already *do* have support for pages not 
getting ref-counted (since we need it for other things), and I think that 
zero_page very naturally falls into exactly that situation.

So in many ways, I would think that turning zero-page into a nonrefcounted 
page (the same way we really do have to do for other things anyway) would 
be the much more *direct* solution, and in many ways the obvious one.

HOWEVER - if people think that it's easier to remove zero_page, and want 
to do it for other reasons, *AND* can hopefully even back up the claim 
that it never matters with numbers (ie that the extra pagefaults just make 
the whole zero-page thing pointless), then I'd certainly accept the patch. 

I'd just want the patch *description* to then also be correct, and blame 
the right situation, instead of blaming zero-page itself.

		Linus
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-mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Andrew Morton, (Mon Oct 1, 2:22 pm)
wibbling over the cpuset shed domain connnection, Paul Jackson, (Mon Oct 1, 2:34 pm)
x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Andi Kleen, (Mon Oct 1, 11:18 pm)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Andrew Morton, (Mon Oct 1, 11:32 pm)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Andi Kleen, (Tue Oct 2, 12:01 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Andrew Morton, (Tue Oct 2, 12:18 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki, (Tue Oct 2, 12:36 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Oct 2, 12:37 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Andrew Morton, (Tue Oct 2, 12:43 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Andi Kleen, (Tue Oct 2, 12:46 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Matt Mackall, (Tue Oct 2, 12:55 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Thomas Gleixner, (Tue Oct 2, 12:58 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Andi Kleen, (Tue Oct 2, 12:59 am)
v4l-stk11xx* [Was: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24], Jiri Slaby, (Tue Oct 2, 12:59 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki, (Tue Oct 2, 1:16 am)
per BDI dirty limit (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24), Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Oct 2, 1:17 am)
writeback fixes, Fengguang Wu, (Tue Oct 2, 1:39 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Andy Whitcroft, (Tue Oct 2, 2:26 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Yasunori Goto, (Tue Oct 2, 3:48 am)
Re: wibbling over the cpuset shed domain connnection, Nick Piggin, (Tue Oct 2, 5:36 am)
Re: wibbling over the cpuset shed domain connnection, Nick Piggin, (Tue Oct 2, 6:12 am)
Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Oct 2, 9:12 am)
new aops merge [was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24], Hugh Dickins, (Tue Oct 2, 9:21 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Nish Aravamudan, (Tue Oct 2, 9:40 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Lee Schermerhorn, (Tue Oct 2, 10:17 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Lee Schermerhorn, (Tue Oct 2, 10:25 am)
remove zero_page (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24), Nick Piggin, (Tue Oct 2, 10:45 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Christoph Lameter, (Tue Oct 2, 11:16 am)
Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Christoph Lameter, (Tue Oct 2, 11:18 am)
Re: kswapd min order, slub max order [was Re: -mm merge pl ..., Christoph Lameter, (Tue Oct 2, 11:28 am)
Re: wibbling over the cpuset shed domain connnection, Paul Jackson, (Tue Oct 2, 10:21 pm)
Re: wibbling over the cpuset shed domain connnection, Paul Jackson, (Wed Oct 3, 12:00 am)
Re: wibbling over the cpuset shed domain connnection, Andrew Morton, (Wed Oct 3, 3:57 am)
Re: per BDI dirty limit (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24), Martin Knoblauch, (Wed Oct 3, 4:00 am)
Re: remove zero_page (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24), Linus Torvalds, (Wed Oct 3, 8:21 am)
r/o bind mounts, was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Christoph Hellwig, (Tue Oct 9, 2:19 am)
Re: remove zero_page (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24), Linus Torvalds, (Tue Oct 9, 7:52 am)
Re: remove zero_page (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24), Linus Torvalds, (Tue Oct 9, 7:22 pm)
Re: remove zero_page (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24), Linus Torvalds, (Tue Oct 9, 8:06 pm)
Re: remove zero_page (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24), Linus Torvalds, (Tue Oct 9, 10:20 pm)
Re: remove zero_page (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24), Linus Torvalds, (Wed Oct 10, 8:04 am)
Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Borislav Petkov, (Sat Oct 13, 1:44 am)
Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Andrew Morton, (Sat Oct 13, 1:52 am)
Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24, Borislav Petkov, (Sat Oct 13, 4:45 am)
Re: per BDI dirty limit (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24), Trond Myklebust, (Fri Oct 26, 9:37 am)
[PATCH] mm: sysfs: expose the BDI object in sysfs, Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Nov 2, 7:59 am)