Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems

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From: Phillip Susi
Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 - 12:01 pm

Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:

Why would you have to consider the descendent entries on disk when you 
are only changing an entry in the parent?  The effects of that change 
are only computed in memory when the dentry for a child is created, so 
you don't have to do a bunch of disk churning to change permissions on 
the whole tree.  In fact, all of the children may very well have NO acl 
of their own stored on disk, which also saves space.

The whole idea here is that there is ONE acl that applies to the whole 
tree, rather than have every object in the tree have its own acl. 
That's why every object in the tree on the disk is not effected by a 
change.


It will not take anywhere NEAR minutes at a time to update the in memory 
dentries, more like 50ms.




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Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Tue Aug 14, 3:45 pm)
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Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 9:58 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:02 am)
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Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 10:37 am)
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