Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems

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From: Marc Perkel
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 9:45 am

--- Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com> wrote:


What I suggested was a concept of a new way to look at
a file system. What you are arguing here is why it
wouldn't work based on your theories as to how such a
file system would be implemented. In attacking how
slow you think it might be you are making assumptions
that wouldn't apply to how this would be implemented.
You are assuming that it would be implemented in ways
that you are familiar with. That is a wrong
assumption.

Linux isn't going to make progress when people try to
figure out how to make something NOT work rather than
to make something work. So if you are going to put
effort into this then why not try to figure out how to
get around the issues you are raising rather than to
attack the idea as unsolvable.

When I originally suggested that the names would be a
"hash" I didn't mean that it is going to be only a
hash. You have successfully argued that just a hash
would have problems. Which means that a real solution
is going to be more complex.

I suggest that it would be easier to figure out how to
make moves of large directory structure fast and
effecient with automatic inheritance of rights.

I know it can be done because Microsoft is doing it
and Novell Netware was doing it 20 years ago. So the
fact that it is done by others disproves your
arguments that it can't be done.



Marc Perkel
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Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Tue Aug 14, 3:45 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Michael Tharp, (Wed Aug 15, 6:02 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Aug 15, 6:30 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 6:53 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Michael Tharp, (Wed Aug 15, 8:14 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 9:02 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 9:36 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Aug 15, 9:57 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 9:58 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:02 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:09 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 10:17 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:19 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 10:22 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:30 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Michael Tharp, (Wed Aug 15, 10:30 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:34 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Wed Aug 15, 10:34 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 10:37 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:51 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 10:53 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:54 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:59 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 11:05 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 11:14 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Craig Ruff, (Wed Aug 15, 11:22 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Aug 15, 12:20 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Aug 15, 12:26 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Yakov Lerner, (Wed Aug 15, 1:02 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 1:11 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 1:20 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 1:35 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Wed Aug 15, 1:38 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Wed Aug 15, 1:43 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 1:44 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 1:50 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Aug 15, 2:04 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 2:17 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Aug 15, 2:20 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Wed Aug 15, 3:14 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 3:40 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 3:48 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Aug 15, 8:42 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 9:44 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Helge Hafting, (Thu Aug 16, 4:27 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Helge Hafting, (Thu Aug 16, 4:42 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Thu Aug 16, 5:09 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Thu Aug 16, 8:09 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Thu Aug 16, 8:29 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Thu Aug 16, 10:28 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Thu Aug 16, 10:31 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Thu Aug 16, 3:03 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, H. Peter Anvin, (Thu Aug 16, 4:12 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Thu Aug 16, 4:17 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Thu Aug 16, 9:24 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Thu Aug 16, 9:52 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Fri Aug 17, 8:19 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Fri Aug 17, 8:39 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Fri Aug 17, 12:01 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Fri Aug 17, 10:48 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Sat Aug 18, 9:45 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Al Viro, (Sat Aug 18, 11:19 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, david, (Sat Aug 18, 7:03 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Al Viro, (Sat Aug 18, 7:57 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Sat Aug 18, 9:07 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Brennan Ashton, (Mon Aug 20, 12:47 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Mon Aug 20, 4:18 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Mon Aug 20, 6:32 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Mon Aug 20, 7:24 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Mon Aug 20, 7:29 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Mon Aug 20, 8:13 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Mon Aug 20, 8:25 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Helge Hafting, (Mon Aug 20, 8:26 am)
Re: [OT] Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Xavier Bestel, (Mon Aug 20, 9:20 am)
[OT] Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Randy Dunlap, (Mon Aug 20, 9:21 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Oleg Verych, (Sat Sep 1, 4:20 pm)