Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8

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From: Ingo Molnar
Date: Saturday, August 4, 2007 - 1:28 pm

* Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:


earlier in the thread it was claimed that Ubuntu is now defaulting to 
noatime+nodiratime, and has done so for several months. Could be one of 
the reasons why:

   http://www.google.com/trends?q=fedora%2C+ubuntu


noatime,nodiratime gave 50% of wall-clock kernel rpm build performance 
improvement for Dave Jones, on a beefy box. Unless i misunderstood what 
you meant under 'fraction of a percent' your numbers are _WAY_ off. 
Atime updates are a _huge everyday deal_, from laptops to servers. 
Everywhere on the planet. Give me a Linux desktop anywhere and i can 
tell you whether it has atimes on or off, just by clicking around and 
using apps (without looking at the mount options). That's how i notice 
it that i forgot to turn off atime on any newly installed system - the 
system has weird desktop lags and unnecessary disk trashing.


come on! Any standards testsuite needs tons of tweaks to the system to 
run through to completion. Mounting the filesystem atime will just be 
one more item in the long list of (mostly silly) 'needed for standards 
compliance' items (most of which nobody configures). What matters are 
the apps, and nary any app depends on atime, and those people who depend 
on them can turn on atime just fine. (it's the same as for extended 
attributes for example - and attributes are infinitely _more_ useful 
than atime.)

	Ingo
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[PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Aug 3, 5:37 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 3, 3:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Aug 3, 11:32 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 12:07 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 3:33 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 9:15 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 9:17 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 9:37 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sat Aug 4, 9:41 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sat Aug 4, 9:51 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 9:56 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sat Aug 4, 10:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 10:17 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Nikita Danilov, (Sat Aug 4, 10:26 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sat Aug 4, 10:38 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 10:39 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sat Aug 4, 10:51 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Aug 4, 11:08 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Florian Weimer, (Sat Aug 4, 12:16 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 12:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 12:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 12:49 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 1:00 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 1:11 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Aug 4, 1:13 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Aug 4, 1:13 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Aug 4, 1:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 1:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Aug 4, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 2:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sat Aug 4, 2:48 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ilpo Järvinen, (Sat Aug 4, 3:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Claudio Martins, (Sat Aug 4, 4:51 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Sat Aug 4, 5:26 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Sat Aug 4, 5:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sat Aug 4, 11:00 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:13 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:18 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:21 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:28 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sun Aug 5, 12:29 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:37 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:39 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Florian Weimer, (Sun Aug 5, 12:57 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Aug 5, 1:53 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Aug 5, 2:04 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 3:20 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 3:29 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Aug 5, 3:42 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 3:58 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:46 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:54 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:56 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:58 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sun Aug 5, 6:22 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Aug 5, 6:29 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 6:46 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sun Aug 5, 7:46 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sun Aug 5, 8:00 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Aug 5, 9:45 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 10:55 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Aug 5, 10:59 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 11:01 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 11:08 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:08 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:09 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Dave Jones, (Sun Aug 5, 11:44 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:09 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Sun Aug 5, 12:11 pm)
[patch] implement smarter atime updates support, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:22 pm)
[patch] implement smarter atime updates support, v2, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Sun Aug 5, 12:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:32 pm)
Re: [patch] implement smarter atime updates support, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 12:53 pm)
Re: [patch] implement smarter atime updates support, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 1:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sun Aug 5, 1:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:41 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sun Aug 5, 3:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, David Chinner, (Sun Aug 5, 4:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, David Chinner, (Sun Aug 5, 5:24 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:58 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Mon Aug 6, 3:42 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Aug 6, 6:12 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chris Mason, (Mon Aug 6, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Dave Jones, (Mon Aug 6, 8:59 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Aug 6, 9:16 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chuck Ebbert, (Mon Aug 6, 11:03 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Mon Aug 6, 11:53 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Mon Aug 6, 12:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chuck Ebbert, (Mon Aug 6, 12:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Miklos Szeredi, (Mon Aug 6, 1:26 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Aug 7, 12:05 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Tue Aug 7, 11:55 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Tue Aug 7, 12:09 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Tue Aug 7, 12:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Tue Aug 7, 2:20 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Karel Zak, (Wed Aug 8, 3:43 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, richard kennedy, (Wed Aug 8, 5:25 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Wed Aug 8, 6:54 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Aug 8, 10:44 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Aug 8, 11:22 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Wed Aug 8, 12:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Aug 8, 1:31 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Martin J. Bligh, (Wed Aug 8, 2:10 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Wed Aug 8, 2:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Martin Bligh, (Wed Aug 8, 5:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Greg Trounson, (Wed Aug 8, 5:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Wed Aug 8, 7:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Lionel Elie Mamane, (Wed Aug 8, 11:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chuck Ebbert, (Thu Aug 9, 8:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Thu Aug 9, 9:22 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Aug 9, 5:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Aug 9, 9:04 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Aug 9, 9:17 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Fri Aug 10, 10:19 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Valerie Henson, (Sat Aug 11, 4:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Helge Hafting, (Tue Aug 14, 2:57 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Helge Hafting, (Thu Aug 16, 3:18 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Dave Jones, (Thu Aug 16, 5:45 pm)