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From: Andrew Morton
Subject:
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 6:31 pm
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
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> You (and Andrew) have tried to argue that slowing things down results in > better quality,
eh? I argued the opposite: that increasing quality will as a side-effect slow things down. If we simply throttled things, people would spend more time watching the shopping channel while merging smaller amounts of the same old crap. --
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Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies
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Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies
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, (Thu May 1, 1:13 am)
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, (Thu May 1, 9:31 am)
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, Valdis.Kletnieks
, (Thu May 1, 9:39 am)
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, (Thu May 1, 10:09 am)
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, (Thu May 1, 10:18 am)
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, (Thu May 1, 10:24 am)
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, (Thu May 1, 1:07 pm)
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, Mariusz Kozlowski
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, (Fri May 2, 10:15 am)
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, Pallipadi, Venkatesh
, (Fri May 2, 11:02 am)
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, Rene Herman
, (Sat May 3, 8:26 pm)
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, Rene Herman
, (Sun May 4, 5:45 am)
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, Pekka Enberg
, (Sun May 4, 6:00 am)
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, Rene Herman
, (Sun May 4, 6:19 am)
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, Krzysztof Halasa
, (Sun May 4, 6:47 am)
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, Jacek Luczak
, (Sun May 4, 8:05 am)
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, Rusty Russell
, (Sun May 4, 8:04 pm)
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, (Mon May 5, 3:03 am)
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, (Mon May 5, 6:13 am)
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, Jiri Kosina
, (Fri May 9, 2:28 am)
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, Jeff Garzik
, (Fri May 9, 8:00 am)
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, Mark Lord
, (Fri May 9, 9:32 am)
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, Pavel Machek
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