Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel.

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Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 5:09 pm

Arjan, by definition the firmware has to be tied to the kernel somehow.
THe datastructure and other aspects are often tied directly to
the firmware version loaded.

At first, people said "hey we're going to make the firmware loadable
from userspace, so sorry now you can't load your driver without a
ramdisk, sorry!"  And that royally pissed me off, and directly impacted
my work flow negatively.

Now, for the cases where we do have in-kernel firmware still, people
are suggesting to seperate that out to a seperate tree as well.
Sorry, that's taking things too far.  I've fought, like, forever, to
keep the tg3 driver with it's firmware in-tree.  I refuse to let the
driver get broken like that, it's staying working, and that means
in-tree and linked into the driver.

If debian or whoever else have these concernes and want to rip the
firmware out, it is one hundred percent their problem to patch things
out of the kernel tree they use.

At least from my perspective this looks like a transfer of burdon from
the folks who want to rip the firmware out, to those of us who find
high value in the firmware staying in the tree.

This is really irritating me, because this is one huge case of frickin
Animal Farm.  First a little was taken away, then a little bit more,
and by the end you have something absolutely nobody would have agreed
to from the beginning.
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[Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Wed May 28, 1:20 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Thu May 29, 10:26 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 2:17 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:20 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sun Jun 1, 7:56 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:25 pm)
RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., David Woodhouse, (Thu May 29, 12:15 pm)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:22 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of..., David Miller, (Thu May 29, 5:09 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of..., Mauro Carvalho Chehab, (Sun Jun 8, 7:13 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Fri May 30, 9:47 am)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., Jeff Garzik, (Thu May 29, 3:12 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of..., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:27 pm)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., David Woodhouse, (Thu May 29, 5:18 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Thu May 29, 10:36 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 29, 4:24 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Jun 2, 6:43 am)
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Re: How many contributors are we losing, Greg KH, (Fri May 30, 4:47 pm)
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