Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel.

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To: Pavel Machek <pavel@...>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...>, David Miller <davem@...>, <James.Bottomley@...>, <ksummit-2008-discuss@...>, <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Friday, June 6, 2008 - 10:46 am

On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 18:17 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:

That's an interesting question, which has concerned me in the past. 
There are certainly those who would claim that the distribution _is_ a
collective work, and not just 'mere aggregation on a volume of a storage
or distribution medium'. Which poses interesting questions.

I think you might _just_ about get away with arguing to the contrary, as
long as you never refer to the distribution as a collective work which
is copyrightable in its own right, or try to put a EULA on it or
anything like that. At least it's _slightly_ more excusable in that case
than what we were talking about before.

Again, there's no definitive answer until/unless it comes to court. But
there's no _guarantee_ that a court would rule that what we're doing is
OK, even though it's a long-standing and universally accepted practice.
You can't apply reductio ad absurdum and declare that the whole
'collective work' part of §2 doesn't exist just because it might lead to
a _really_ surprising conclusion.


You may only include it in a GPL'd project if you can distribute the
source code in the preferred form for editing -- unless you claim that
the tightly intertwined combination of driver and firmware is "mere
aggregation on a volume of a storage medium", which many would say it
blatantly is not.

If, on the other hand, we have a separate repository where stuff only
has to be 'redistributable', then that would be OK even without source.

I'm working on reducing the technical barriers to having a separate
repository, to the point where it becomes silly not to do it like that.

-- 
dwmw2

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