> Well as I remember akpm and hch both said that these "plugins" are
> just a way of modular programing, and not layering violation, but I
> just can't find those mails now, there were a lot of them.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Edward Shishkin
> <edward.shishkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ryan Hope wrote:
>>> So the purpose of that "plugins" document is just to "defend" the
>>> present state of the reiser4 code?
>>>
>>
>> Yes. In particular.
>>
>> Plugins stuff is a way of data storage optimization and its
>> removing definitely would be a mistake. What can arise here
>> again is complaints about "layering violation". However,
>> addressing them doesn't necessarily mean removing the whole
>> plugin stuff. I hope that this document will help such discussions
>> to be more constructive.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Edward.
>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Edward Shishkin
>>> <edward.shishkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ryan Hope wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can you explain a little more what this "plugin design documentation"
>>>>> actually is and how it supposed to help?
>>>>> -Ryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> This document is to define plugins, etc primitives (like conversion
>>>> of run-time objects) used in reiser4, and to describe all reiser4
>>>> interfaces, so that it will be clear that VFS functionality is not
>>>> duplicated, there are not VFS layers inside reiser4, etc. (many items
>>>> are devoted to interaction between VFS and reiser4).
>>>> I am sorry, but these concepts (which are very central) have not been
>>>> worked out carefully enough at the moment of this 3-year-old review:
>>>>
http://kerneltrap.org/node/5330
>>>>
>>>> Edward.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Edward Shishkin
>>>>> <edward.shishkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ric Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Theodore Tso wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:34:53PM -0400, Ryan Hope wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, I am here :)
>>>>>> Join our mailing list:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#reiserfs-devel
>>>>>>
http://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-devel&r=1&w=2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are many interesting tasks to resolve/investigate..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, removing the plugin support might not be so hard.... I might
>>>>>>>>> have to try this...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please, don't try to do this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am working on the plugin design document. It will be ready
>>>>>> approximately in September. I believe that it'll address all the
>>>>>> mentioned complaints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not impressed with btrfs yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, if you're going to work on reiser4 (and I think there were other
>>>>>>>> people who had also expressed interest/plans to work on it; you might
>>>>>>>> try doing a search on the various mailing lists so you can coordinate
>>>>>>>> with them and avoid duplicating work), my suggestion to you would be
>>>>>>>> to find the comments that were made by the reviewers way back when,
>>>>>>>> and make sure those comments have been addressed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then, re-requests a code review, and promise that you won't abuse, and
>>>>>>>> insult the integrity and impugn the motivations of the reviewers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, Ted, I'll promise ;)
>>>>>> We'll adhere strictly the propositional logic in the review thread..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Edward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> Hans did, and hopefully after they review the code, fix those problems
>>>>>>>> as well. Then you can try resubmitting for inclusion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Ted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My most up to date information is that Edward is still actively
>>>>>>> working on reiser4....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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