Re: [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space

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From: Alan Cox
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 - 4:00 pm

> desired.  The device node interface came about after discussions last

Surely you only need one block per task (or better yet one expression of
latency per task). If not can you explain why a setup which has a per
task expression of latency needs (and a 'hard limit' set which you can't
then bump back down except as root) isn't enough ?

I'd really like this lot to also fix the hard real time and power
management problem we have today and to try an fix the "suspend is
special and different" mentality in the kernel, which is getting less and
less true on a variety of chips.


Great - but the world is not Android and even if they can't access it
directly but get passed a handle they can play.


By drivers I agree but in the driver case the cost is minimal because
there should not be many and it is bounded clearly. Again I really think
'suspend blocking' is the wrong expression.

A driver needs to express

'Don't go below this latency'

and

'Don't go below this state'

This is more generic and helps our power management do the right thing on
all boxes. For example a serial port can meaningfully say 'I want X
latency worst case' based upon the fact the fifo is 64 bytes and the user
space just asked for 115,200 baud.

The don't go below for states out of which the device must wake but
cannot. Eg if your device is being told by user space to set wake on lan
and can only wake on lan from a higher state than 'off' it needs to say
so.

Alan
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[PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), =?UTF-8?q?Arve=20Hj= ..., (Fri May 21, 3:46 pm)
[PATCH 1/8] PM: Opportunistic suspend support., =?UTF-8?q?Arve=20Hj= ..., (Fri May 21, 3:46 pm)
[PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspen ..., =?UTF-8?q?Arve=20Hj= ..., (Fri May 21, 3:46 pm)
[PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a su ..., =?UTF-8?q?Arve=20Hj= ..., (Fri May 21, 3:46 pm)
[PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file, =?UTF-8?q?Arve=20Hj= ..., (Fri May 21, 3:46 pm)
[PATCH 5/8] PM: suspend_block: Add suspend_blocker stats, =?UTF-8?q?Arve=20Hj= ..., (Fri May 21, 3:46 pm)
[PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work., =?UTF-8?q?Arve=20Hj= ..., (Fri May 21, 3:46 pm)
[PATCH 7/8] Input: Block suspend while event queue is not ..., =?UTF-8?q?Arve=20Hj= ..., (Fri May 21, 3:46 pm)
[PATCH 8/8] power_supply: Block suspend while power supply ..., =?UTF-8?q?Arve=20Hj= ..., (Fri May 21, 3:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun May 23, 5:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Felipe Balbi, (Sun May 23, 9:32 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon May 24, 11:49 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Kevin Hilman, (Mon May 24, 3:51 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon May 24, 4:38 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 1:45 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 1:47 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 2:40 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed May 26, 2:41 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 2:45 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Brian Swetland, (Wed May 26, 2:49 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 2:54 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 3:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed May 26, 3:06 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 3:08 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 3:09 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 3:19 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed May 26, 3:25 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 3:32 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Brian Swetland, (Wed May 26, 3:40 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed May 26, 3:40 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 3:49 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed May 26, 3:53 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 4:12 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 4:35 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 4:37 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 5:24 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 5:33 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Alan Cox, (Wed May 26, 5:35 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 5:41 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 5:53 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 5:54 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 6:03 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 6:06 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 6:07 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 6:19 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 6:30 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 6:39 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Wed May 26, 6:46 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 8:11 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 8:12 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 8:15 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 8:16 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 8:40 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Wed May 26, 8:45 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 8:47 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 8:49 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Wed May 26, 10:22 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 12:54 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 12:56 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Zygo Blaxell, (Wed May 26, 1:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access su ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed May 26, 2:57 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed May 26, 3:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access su ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed May 26, 3:45 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed May 26, 3:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access su ..., Alan Cox, (Wed May 26, 4:00 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed May 26, 5:49 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 10:11 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Wed May 26, 10:14 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Arve Hjønnevåg, (Thu May 27, 1:05 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Felipe Contreras, (Thu May 27, 1:58 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 6:26 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 6:35 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 6:37 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 7:06 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 7:28 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 7:29 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 7:35 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 7:41 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 7:43 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 8:05 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 8:07 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 8:32 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 8:52 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 9:07 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 9:19 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Thu May 27, 9:28 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 9:45 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 9:52 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 9:59 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 10:00 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 10:04 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:07 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 10:13 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 10:15 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:16 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Felipe Balbi, (Thu May 27, 10:18 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 10:20 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Thu May 27, 10:21 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:23 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:25 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 10:25 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:26 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 10:26 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 10:28 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:32 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 10:35 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:41 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Thu May 27, 10:42 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 10:46 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:50 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 10:52 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:52 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:54 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 10:56 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 10:59 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 10:59 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 11:02 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 11:06 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 11:12 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 11:12 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 11:17 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 11:18 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 11:18 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 11:20 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Peter Zijlstra, (Thu May 27, 11:22 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 11:23 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 11:26 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 11:31 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Zygo Blaxell, (Thu May 27, 11:35 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 11:53 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 11:56 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 12:06 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 12:29 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Zygo Blaxell, (Thu May 27, 12:32 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 1:11 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Thomas Gleixner, (Thu May 27, 1:23 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 1:38 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 2:06 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 2:08 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 27, 2:17 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 2:36 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 27, 2:55 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 3:08 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 27, 3:35 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 27, 4:50 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Fri May 28, 12:03 am)
Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8), Florian Mickler, (Fri May 28, 12:25 am)