Re: stable? quality assurance?

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From: Ted Ts'o
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 6:16 am

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 09:18:41AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:

So I tend to use -rc3, -rc4, and -rc5 kernels on my laptops, and when
I find bugs, I report them and I help fix them.  If more people did
that, then the 2.6.X.0 releases would be more stable.  But kernel
development is a volunteer effort, so it's up to the volunteers to
test and fix bugs during the rc4, -rc5 and -rc6 time frame.  But if
the work tails off, because the developers are busily working on new
features for the new release, then past a certain point, delaying the
release reaches a point of diminishing returns.  This is why we do
time-based releases.

It is possible to do other types of release strategies, but look at
Debian Obsolete^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Stable if you want to see what happens
if you insist on waiting until all release blockers are fixed (and
even with Debian, past a certain point the release engineer will still
just reclassify bugs as no longer being release blockers --- after the
stable release has slipped for months or years past the original
projected release date.)

So if you and others like you are willing to help, then the quality of
the Linux kernels can continue to improve.  But simply complaining
about it is not likely to solve things, since threating to not be
willing to upgrade kernels is generally not going to motivate many, if
not most, of the volunteers who work on stablizing the kernel.


So you want the latest and greatest new features in a brand-new kernel
release, but you're not willing to pay for test machines, and you're
not willing to pay for a distribution support...  The fact that you
are willing to do some testing is appreciated, but remember, there's
no such thing as a free lunch.  Linux may be a very good bargain (look
at how much Oracle has increased its support contracts for Solaris!),
but it's still not a free lunch.  At the end of the day, you get what
you put into it.

Best regards,

						- Ted


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stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Sun Jul 11, 12:18 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Eric Dumazet, (Sun Jul 11, 1:39 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Ted Ts'o, (Sun Jul 11, 6:16 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Lee Mathers, (Sun Jul 11, 6:56 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Sun Jul 11, 7:22 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Sun Jul 11, 7:51 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Sun Jul 11, 7:52 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Heinz Diehl, (Sun Jul 11, 10:04 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Jul 11, 10:22 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Anca Emanuel, (Sun Jul 11, 11:02 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Stefan Richter, (Sun Jul 11, 12:49 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Jul 11, 2:38 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Jul 11, 9:17 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, David Newall, (Sun Jul 11, 11:46 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Mon Jul 12, 2:56 am)
Fwd: stable? quality assurance?, Marcin Letyns, (Mon Jul 12, 5:35 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Alexey Dobriyan, (Mon Jul 12, 5:42 am)
Fwd: stable? quality assurance?, Marcin Letyns, (Mon Jul 12, 5:52 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Mon Jul 12, 7:57 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Mon Jul 12, 8:43 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, David Newall, (Mon Jul 12, 8:56 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Jul 12, 10:36 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Marcin Letyns, (Mon Jul 12, 10:48 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Stefan Richter, (Mon Jul 12, 10:55 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Stefan Richter, (Mon Jul 12, 11:00 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Nix, (Mon Jul 12, 12:46 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Mon Jul 12, 12:56 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, David Newall, (Mon Jul 12, 12:58 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Stefan Richter, (Mon Jul 12, 2:11 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Mon Jul 12, 2:39 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Stefan Richter, (Mon Jul 12, 3:44 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Stefan Richter, (Mon Jul 12, 4:03 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Tue Jul 13, 3:30 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Alejandro Riveira Fe ..., (Tue Jul 13, 4:11 am)
Re: rt2x00: slow wifi with correct basic rate bitmap (was ..., John W. Linville, (Tue Jul 13, 8:35 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Theodore Tso, (Tue Jul 13, 9:50 am)
Re: rt2x00: slow wifi with correct basic rate bitmap (was ..., Alejandro Riveira Fe ..., (Tue Jul 13, 11:06 am)
Re: rt2x00: slow wifi with correct basic rate bitmap (was ..., Alejandro Riveira Fe ..., (Tue Jul 13, 11:19 am)
Re: rt2x00: slow wifi with correct basic rate bitmap (was ..., John W. Linville, (Tue Jul 13, 11:38 am)
Re: rt2x00: slow wifi with correct basic rate bitmap (was ..., Alejandro Riveira Fe ..., (Tue Jul 13, 12:07 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, David Newall, (Tue Jul 13, 1:45 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Theodore Tso, (Tue Jul 13, 11:33 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, david, (Thu Jul 15, 12:23 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, david, (Thu Jul 15, 12:32 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Valeo de Vries, (Thu Jul 15, 2:09 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Greg KH, (Fri Jul 16, 12:00 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Justin P. Mattock, (Fri Jul 16, 12:19 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Randy Dunlap, (Fri Jul 16, 8:25 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Valeo de Vries, (Fri Jul 16, 8:34 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Sat Sep 4, 9:38 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Sat Sep 4, 10:12 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Ted Ts'o, (Sat Sep 4, 11:46 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Sat Sep 4, 12:11 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 4, 12:24 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 4, 12:34 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Sat Sep 4, 1:21 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 4, 3:50 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Ted Ts'o, (Sat Sep 4, 4:16 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Ted Ts'o, (Sat Sep 4, 4:23 pm)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Sun Sep 5, 12:59 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Avi Kivity, (Sun Sep 5, 1:35 am)
Re: stable? quality assurance?, Martin Steigerwald, (Sun Sep 5, 2:48 am)