Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three

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From: Paul E. McKenney
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 11:38 am

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 08:52:22PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:

[ . . . ]  (For now, anyway. I might respond to the rest later.)


Now this is much more like it!!!  Thank you!!!

You are quite correct, my last sentence does in fact assume that suspend
will always have lower power consumption than does the deepest idle state.
This of course sentence must be fixed.  How about the following, which
makes this assumption explicit, and adds words ("often", "might") that
indicate that one's mileage might vary?

	4.	Suspend generally forces devices to go into their
		low-power states immediately.  In contrast, idle generally
		leaves unused devices at full power, relying on timers
		to shut down these devices.  Idle thus often has shorter
		average wakeup latencies, but on systems where suspend
		can use deeper sleep states than can idle, idle might
		have worse energy efficiency.


It never was intended to be an argument of any kind.  It was instead
supposed to help clarify the difference between idle and suspend, in
response to people stating that there is no difference between suspend
and idle.  If my mistake in the wording of the last sentence made you
think otherwise, please accept my apologies.

[ . . . ]  (For now, anyway. I might respond to the rest later.)

							Thanx, Paul
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Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Jul 31, 10:58 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Jul 31, 9:52 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Jul 31, 10:48 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Jul 31, 11:01 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Mikael Abrahamsson, (Sat Jul 31, 11:24 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Mikael Abrahamsson, (Sat Jul 31, 11:49 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 1, 12:12 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 1, 12:27 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 3:47 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 3:49 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 4:00 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Aug 1, 4:02 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 4:12 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 1, 6:10 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 1, 8:03 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 1, 8:04 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 8:06 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 9:05 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Sun Aug 1, 10:34 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Sun Aug 1, 10:44 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Sun Aug 1, 11:40 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Sun Aug 1, 11:53 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Mon Aug 2, 12:23 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Aug 2, 6:52 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Aug 2, 7:00 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Aug 2, 7:08 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Aug 2, 7:09 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Aug 2, 7:12 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Aug 2, 1:36 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Aug 2, 2:33 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Aug 2, 3:27 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Aug 2, 3:40 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Mon Aug 2, 8:21 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Mon Aug 2, 9:18 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Mon Aug 2, 9:56 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Mon Aug 2, 10:01 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Tue Aug 3, 4:25 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Tue Aug 3, 4:26 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Aug 3, 7:11 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Aug 3, 8:41 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 3:23 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 3:47 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Aug 3, 5:10 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Aug 3, 6:09 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Tue Aug 3, 6:34 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 8:39 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Tue Aug 3, 8:57 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Olivier Galibert, (Tue Aug 3, 9:58 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 10:22 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 10:43 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Tue Aug 3, 10:46 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 10:59 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 11:03 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Tue Aug 3, 11:12 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Olivier Galibert, (Tue Aug 3, 11:28 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 11:50 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 12:10 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Wed Aug 4, 12:35 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 4:47 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 9:27 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 9:32 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 9:35 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 11:32 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 11:39 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 11:55 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 12:21 pm)
Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take two, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 12:57 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 12:57 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 1:08 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 1:31 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Pavel Machek, (Wed Aug 4, 1:42 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 1:43 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 1:46 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 1:48 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 1:51 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 1:51 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 1:56 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Pavel Machek, (Wed Aug 4, 2:15 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 2:15 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 2:31 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Wed Aug 4, 2:39 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 3:08 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 3:51 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 4:06 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 4:10 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Anca Emanuel, (Wed Aug 4, 4:13 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 4:15 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 4:19 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 4:26 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 4:30 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 4:33 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 4:40 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 5:10 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 5:15 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 5:17 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 5:20 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 5:48 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 6:02 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matt Helsley, (Wed Aug 4, 6:58 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Wed Aug 4, 7:02 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 7:39 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Wed Aug 4, 7:46 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matt Helsley, (Wed Aug 4, 8:25 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 8:59 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 9:05 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Wed Aug 4, 10:33 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Wed Aug 4, 10:56 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Thu Aug 5, 6:38 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Thu Aug 5, 6:40 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Thu Aug 5, 6:47 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Thu Aug 5, 7:16 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 7:23 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 7:29 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Thu Aug 5, 7:33 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 8:12 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 8:15 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu Aug 5, 8:34 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 11:09 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, kevin granade, (Thu Aug 5, 11:13 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 11:20 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 11:21 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 1:31 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, kevin granade, (Thu Aug 5, 1:51 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Thu Aug 5, 3:02 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 3:16 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 4:03 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 4:05 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 4:19 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu Aug 5, 4:41 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 5:13 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 5:22 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 5:29 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu Aug 5, 5:42 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 6:22 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Thu Aug 5, 6:29 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 9:00 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 10:09 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 10:22 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 10:24 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 11:18 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 5:36 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sat Aug 7, 2:01 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Aug 7, 7:36 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Aug 7, 8:07 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Aug 7, 2:11 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Felipe Contreras, (Sun Aug 8, 6:35 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Sun Aug 8, 9:08 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Felipe Contreras, (Sun Aug 8, 10:08 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Sun Aug 8, 10:09 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Felipe Contreras, (Wed Aug 11, 12:18 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Felipe Contreras, (Wed Aug 11, 12:25 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Felipe Contreras, (Wed Aug 11, 5:23 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 12, 10:43 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Felipe Contreras, (Thu Aug 12, 10:52 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 12, 11:38 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Felipe Contreras, (Thu Aug 12, 12:00 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Dominik Brodowski, (Thu Aug 12, 12:27 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Felipe Contreras, (Thu Aug 12, 12:34 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Dominik Brodowski, (Thu Aug 12, 12:52 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Felipe Contreras, (Fri Aug 13, 3:43 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Dominik Brodowski, (Fri Aug 13, 8:57 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Dominik Brodowski, (Fri Aug 13, 9:19 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Felipe Contreras, (Fri Aug 13, 9:19 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., James Bottomley, (Fri Aug 13, 10:11 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 13, 10:13 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 15, 12:00 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Aug 16, 2:11 pm)