Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..

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Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:35 pm

On 2007 Oct 23, at 5:57 PM, adam.getchell@gmail.com wrote:

> Virtualization seems to have a lot of security benefits.

``Seems'' is the key word, here.

On hardware like an IBM mainframe that can acutally support what's
necessary for secure virtual machines, sure. On x86? Well, it'll
keep your kid sister out....

Virtualization is wonderful for simultaneously running different
operating systems on the same (beefy) computer, especially for
development or testing purposes. If you occassionally need to run
something on an operating system other than your preferred one,
it's great -- saves you the extra hardware or the reboot, lets you
do snapshots, etc.

For Windows, it's also wonderful. You basically have to be
nuts to have a single Windows server* doing more than one
thing, but virtualization lets you do exactly that with relative
impunity. It's like splinting a broken leg and giving a huge shot
of painkillers to the victim -- you'd never know the leg was
broken.

But that's about it. I suppose running Windows virtual machines on
a real OpenBSD machine might ``have a lot of security benefits''
in some perverted sense of the words, but it's not like the VM is
magically going to protect the virtual machines or anything. And
if the Windows virtual machines can still talk to the outside
world or to each other (via simulated network interfaces, for
example), even those ``security benefits'' won't mean much.

Cheers,

b&

* Yes, the full stop here is appropriate.

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