On 3/22/07, Jeff Rollin <jeff.rollin@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 22/03/07, Marc Espie <espie@nerim.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they
> > > have what they call reasonable defaults.
> >
> > No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that many. They decide
> > to do so.  That's most of what's wrong with OS stuff these days. Too
> > many choices.  Too many knobs. Every day, I see people shoot themselves in
> > the foot, not managing to administer boxes and networks in a simple way,
> > making stupid decisions that don't serve any purpose.
> >
> > ACL, enforced security policies, reverse proxy setups, user accounts,
> > network user groups, PAM, openldap, reiserfs, ext3fs, ext2fs...
> > so many choices. So many wrong choices.
>
> Multiple user accounts and a journalling facility on a filesystem ==
> wrong: Interesting perspective.
>
> >
> > At some point, the people who package the software need to make editorial
> > decisions. Remove knobs. Provide people with stuff that just works.
> > Remove options. Or definitely give them the means to do the trade-off
> > correctly.
> >
> > Okay, it's a losing battle. I'm an old grumpy fart.
> >
> > Okay, a lot of IT people are just earning their wages by managing the
> > incredibly too complex setups we face nowadays (and not screwing too badly
> > in front of a multitude of stupide innane choices).
> >
> > Linux is the `culture of choice'. Provide ten MTA, ten MUA. Twenty window
> > managers. Never decide which one you want to install, never give you a
> > default installation that just works. Cater to the techy, nerdy culture
> > of people who want to spend *days* just making choices.
>
> Wrong. Unix is the "culture of choice", and that includes Linux and
> OpenBSD.

How many MTAs, MUAs, http servers, text editors, DNS servers, FTP
servers, etc. are included with OpenBSD?

Greg