Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

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To: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...>
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Date: Saturday, September 1, 2007 - 3:02 pm

On 9/1/07, Theo de Raadt wrote:

One of the really fascinating aspects of this whole thing, at least to
someone with a classic liberal arts education, is how poorly technical
people often perform when faced with natural language text. Not all
of them, obviously, but it's amazing how often it happens, even with
people whose high intelligence is indisputable. You see the full
panoply of logical fallacy at work. They try to do things they would
never try with technical specs.

For example, "you may choose a license for distribution". There seems
to be an overpowering urge among some to read this as "you may may
choose a license for removal". This is an obvious non sequitur. The
reasoning seems to be something like

premise a: you may choose BSD or GPL
premise b: you may distribute under your chosen license
conclusion: therefore you may distribute without the other license

Fallacy of Equivocation: use of a term with two or more meanings, as
in, using "distribute" to mean "alter", or taking "choose A" to mean
"remove B".
Fallacy of Illicit Process: a term in the conclusion has a wider
extension than in the predicate (i.e. going from "some lawyers are
cheats" to "all lawyers are X"); this non sequitur doesn't quite fit
the definition, but it does involve similar chicanery, going from
"choose A" to "choose A and remove B".

I'm sure this bit of faulty reasoning commits a few other fallacies as
well. In any case, it's amazing how many technical people are willing
to take OR as a synonym for EXCLUSIVE OR.

The only way this will get clarity in the end is in the courts. In
this case, the people pulling these shenanigans - possibly including
the FSF - richly deserve the RIAA treatment. Maybe the foundation
should create a fund for defending the license. (And I'm not even
religious about this stuff - it just really irks may that these people
pontificating about freedom are willing to behave so selfishly and
disingenuously. And illegally.)

-gregg

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That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Theo de Raadt, (Fri Aug 31, 9:40 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Reyk Floeter, (Mon Sep 3, 7:23 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 1, 1:19 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 2, 8:05 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Ihar Hrachyshka, (Sun Sep 2, 8:25 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 11:42 am)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 2, 10:58 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 8:15 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 1:39 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 1, 5:59 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 2, 8:07 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 11:38 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Dave Anderson, (Mon Sep 3, 12:35 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Mon Sep 3, 3:42 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Tue Sep 4, 12:12 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Tue Sep 4, 5:18 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, J.C. Roberts, (Wed Sep 5, 2:56 pm)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 6:08 pm)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 6:55 pm)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 4:25 pm)
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