thus Rui Miguel Silva Seabra spake:

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> On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 10:32:05AM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote:

>> Because of the choice between licenses you can either choose to adhere

>> to the GPL (thus forcing you to open up your changes)

>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>

> That is false, only if software is distributed.

What is of course not your intention... :D
>> or alternatively

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>> you can choose the BSD and either give your patches back or not.

>

> Either give your patches back or not is also available on the GNU GPL as

> long as you don't distribute software.

Dito. Totally pointless, this discussion.
>> Still, you can't remove either of the licenses, you have to pass on the

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>> rights you have gotten from the original copyright holder down to

>> anybody else you are giving this too.

>

> Well, no. The original copyright holder gave you a choice: either BSD or GPL

Yes, BUT (s)he thought that the guy choosing has morals and a brain;

obviously (s)he didn't think of the GNU/Linux lunatics.
>> And especially if you would be

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>> giving the file down to the author only under GPL your are limiting

>> their freedom, which is not the intent of the original copyright holder

>> and also something you fortunately can't be doing.

>

> Tough luck.

>

>> If you don't like the licensing, then don't use the code at all, don't

>> even look at it.

>

> Likewise, if you don't like the GPL, don't let it be a choice for other users.

>

> If your problem is that people don't give back,

You did not understand; it's not about DOING, it's about BEING ALLOWED

TO USE WHAT IS GIVEN BACK.
Reread this in the original post until you understand it (and beware of

deadlocks).
> go knock on certain vendors who

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> profit from OpenSSH without contributin anything back. Oh wait... they don't

> have to, have they? :)

No, they don't have to, and that has been clear from the start of the

project; the issue discussed that you're trying to raise is a MORAL thing.
YOU are introducing the one-way street here, nobody else.
> Rui
Timo