Re: tcpdump -X

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From: J.C. Roberts
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 12:04 am

On Tuesday 15 July 2008, GVG GVG wrote:

MTU stands for Mark T Uemura, otherwise known as mtu@, an OpenBSD 
developer who has been kind enough to do some fantastic write-ups and 
interviews on the events and people of the two most recent hackathons.

http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=search&mode=&thres=&method=and&sort=time&query=mtu

Now, all kidding aside, please look at the length of your question above 
and compare it to the following URL:

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=MTU

Yep, the URL is shorter. Answering your own question would have been 
less typing, a whole lot faster, and far more complete than the simple 
expansion of an abbreviation given to you in replies.

The half dozen idiots posting replies with the correct answer to your 
easily answered question have done a disservice to both you and 
everyone else subscribed to this list. Mindlessly blurting out an 
easily found answer is tantamount to bragging and makes the people 
doing it look stupid since it shows they failed to think things 
through. They robbed you of a chance to learn something on your own, 
they cluttered the mail boxes of thousands of people, and worst of all, 
they encouraged all the countless other people like you to be lazy.

There's nothing wrong with not knowing things, but if you're unwilling 
to at least try learning and try solving your own problems *before* 
asking for help, then you obviously don't respect the time people 
commit to writing software and helping others on these lists.

The correct order of operation is Think, Search, Study, and Try. When 
you've repeated the first four steps a few times and you're still at a 
loss for an answer, only then take the fifth step of Asking. It's the 
tough road to take rather than the easy way out, but in the end, you'll 
be stronger and better for it.

In a similar vein, you might find the following thread enlightening:
http://marc.info/?t=121434202300006&r=1&w=2
Particularly:
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=121434335503622&w=2

Yep, this crap happens all the time. It's not just new people showing up 
on the lists and not knowing the basics, but it's also long time users 
like Paul and Josh forgetting the end result of being overly helpful. 
Heck, if you search the list archives, you'll probably find places 
where *I* have made the exact same mistakes.

I may seem like a complete ass for pointing the obvious, but none the 
less, all of the above are things you, and others, really need to learn 
and remember.

Kind Regards
jcr
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tcpdump -X, GVG GVG, (Tue Jul 15, 6:42 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, David Hill, (Tue Jul 15, 6:54 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, GVG GVG, (Tue Jul 15, 7:49 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, Claer, (Tue Jul 15, 8:08 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, Josh Grosse, (Tue Jul 15, 8:10 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, Gregory Edigarov, (Tue Jul 15, 8:15 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, Insan Praja SW, (Tue Jul 15, 8:15 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, Alan Hicks, (Tue Jul 15, 8:30 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, J.C. Roberts, (Thu Jul 17, 12:04 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, Josh Grosse, (Thu Jul 17, 6:07 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, GVG GVG, (Thu Jul 17, 8:16 am)
Re: tcpdump -X, Tony Abernethy, (Thu Jul 17, 8:38 am)