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I have disabled IPv6 in the kernel (via top-level GENERIC) but I can't see what other places it needs to be disabled for other applications. Is it enabled per-application or is there some magic in a top-level Makefile somewhere? This IPv6 is like Whak-A-Mole. Or is it just so pervasive now that it cannot be disabled? I don't have a need to partake in the IPv6 "research" right now. For all you IPv6 cheerleaders, please just resist the temptation to cheer this time. I promise I'll re-enable the shit when my toaster does IPv6.
Future intelligent toast makers aside, why do you want to do this? You aren't going to save much memory unless you're running on some 486 based system, and you will have created a frankensystem, that is one which the OpenBSD community isn't going to be enthusiastic about helping you. You are free of course to make mods, but please understand that you are on your own for them. I suppose it could also be said that if you need help in turning ipv6 off, you shouldn't--learn first how things work before making such a modification. I don't think most of the people reading this are ipv6 fans, either. --STeve Andre'
To be honest, I have never tried. There was a time back in 1999 when made 'shrimp' kernels to save space by eliminating all the drivers I thought I didn't need. Things seemed to be going ok for several weeks with it, till I crashed the kernel somehow. I was very puzzled, but had the presence of mind to build a stock generic kernel and see if that worked, before talking about it on misc@. The generic kernel worked flawlessly, doing everything ok when the shrimp kernel worked. Oops. That taught me several things, being twiddling knobs (taking drivers from the kernel surely constitues that) blindly can lead to interesting consequences down the line, and that making the shrimp kernel was mostly a waste of time, except for the educational aspects of what not to do. --STeve Andre'
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:28:09 -0500 Thanks for the nice story. I get a kick out of how far folks here go out of their way not to help people out. Instead offering up non-sequitars, etc. Come on admit it, you don't know how to disable IPv6. Why does everyone place so much trust in OpenBSD when the kernel seems to be a mystery to most here with constant warnings about not fiddling with it.... Curiouser and curiouser.
At least some developers hang on misc@ and surely know how to disable ipv6. The question is: do they care?
Other than adding rhubbell to the list of "people who probably broke it themselves", not really.
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:01:34 -0500 Nothing's broken here. Hope you didn't strain a muscle jumping to conclusions. (^: Well nothing other than the pervasiveness of IPv6 into every nook and cranny with no apparent way to shut it off by pulling one switch. Also looking back I see the question was ignored before. I can figure it out with enough time. But guess I thought there was a community here that would share the secret incantations. Apparently there's unity with out the comm.
User: there's a knob I want to twiddle, but don't know how... Community: Don't User: but I wanna, I wanna. Developers: don't, really User: I know what I'm doing, so there Community: ..... User: why is everyone ignoring me? Where's the love? Everyone: it's hard to love the village idiot -- Sent from my mobile device http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk "This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity." -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
You are a sphincter of epic proportions. No this community isn't about helping beggars and other dogshit. This community is about developing code that doesn't suck. Fuck off troll.
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:26:36 -0600 Jeez, go get some fresh air or something. And please just ignore my posts if you care that much.
And please stop posting till you get a fucking clue. -- Michiel van Baak michiel@vanbaak.eu http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?"
finally you say something that I can relate to. -- jakemsr@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
no, it was a test to see if you could take your own advice. since you won't, I am now sure you're not worth paying attention to and are only here to be a prick. thanks for clarifying. -- jakemsr@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
You are missing whole point of philosophy of OpenBSD. Snippet from one good book : The OpenBSD community generally expects users to be advanced computer users. They have written extensive documentation about OpenBSD, and expect people to be willing to read it. They're not interested in coddling new UNIX users and will say so if pressed. They don't object to new UNIX users using OpenBSD, but do object to people asking them for basic UNIX help just because they happen to be running OpenBSD. If you're a new UNIX user, they will not hold your hand. They will not develop features just to please users. OpenBSD exists to meet the needs of the developers, and while others are welcome to ride along the needs of the passengers do not steer the project. -- http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:52:35 +0200 Not sure how care plays into this. A simple question that the folks here would rather not answer but instead would rather meander about.
Feeding the troll, sorry. I gave you the file where GENERIC for all kernels is configured. If you bothered to look, you'd have seen and figured it out for yourself. You didn't bother. You want to be coddled and hand-fed answers, and that's fine if you don't mind sticking with what's supported. Otherwise, teach yourself.
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:01:06 -0800 Apparently you don't care enough to even read the thread. But it's ok, I don't care if you care or not. But thanks at least for trying to help.
all the code kernel side is under #ifdef INET6, so that is the knob. it works, it has to work, because some install kernels are inet-only. I don't bother. I run GENERIC or GENERIC.MP, period. using -inet6 in the hostname files and blocking all inet6 shit on the firewalls is good enough. -- Henning Brauer, hb@bsws.de, henning@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting
You could also do more digging around yourself. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/conf/GENERIC?rev=1.150 Look for INET6.
man ifconfig...is a quick and easy way to disable inet6 on any interface. Beyond that I'm thinking sysctl, did you peruse around before posting ? -- Allie
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:10:27 -0800 It's not that simple. Applications still try IPv6 even when it's disabled in the kernel and there's no vestige of it for ifconfig to even find. So the problem is that there are apps I need to rebuild but I presumed that there might be a simple way to disable from a top-level makefile or the like.
"there are apps" means you are not talking about your system. Did you even bother to look at a tcpdump when you are running on a kernel without ipv6 support? Is there any ipv6 traffic when running on a kernel without ipv6 ? You blame us for a lot of stuff while you did not do anything to show us where the problem is. Till you have more data, go read the manpages and find out yourself mkay? -- Michiel van Baak michiel@vanbaak.eu http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?"
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 03:07:03 +0100 Funny, no, not blaming anyone for anything. Never play blame game. What's the point? But go ahead if you want. The question seemed simple enough to me, if you can't give an answer, no problem.
"Needs to be disabled" ...to accomplish what goal? Saving of disk space? Elimination of code complexity? Ignoring of IPv6 packets that are received? Something else? Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, putting up -inet6 Sounds like you would prefer if the presence of IPv6 wasn't making the code more complex. If so, the answer is "no, it cannot be disabled in that way." Philip Guenther
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:59:53 -0800 I presumed that applications would be written so that if there's no support for a protocol family in the kernel that the app would be smart Thanks for the assist. To me it's simply I don't need IPv6, I don't use IPv6. I don't want to see any errors from applications that want IPv6. Why isn't IPX in the kernel and everywhere else? Or AppleTalk or .... Yes I know IPv6 is the "future". But I can wait. I've yet to see a good answer of why it's on by default in a lot of places. Is it to shake it out to find the issues? That's fine but to force it is not fine. It should be opt-in not opt-out just like most everything.
give us some data. If your system does not support ipv6, there will be no outgoing/incoming You only have 1 year left according to most counters. -- Michiel van Baak michiel@vanbaak.eu http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?"
So how have you done that in the applications that you've written? Have you sent patches to those application authors, following what you've done yourself? You keep using that word "applications" without actually saying *what* programs are involved. Programs in the OpenBSD base? Programs from ports? Other programs? What error messages have they generated? Under what circumstances? Where are the *DETAILS* of your problem? Ah. It seems from the bulk of your messages that you're more concerned with defending your issue than with actually resolving it. My apologies for distracting you from your main concern. Philip Guenther
I'll don the Nomex here and say that rather than turning IPv6 "off", I just block it with pf. I don't know if that is what the OP wants, but it is relatively simple to do (as opposed to twiddling things in the kernel) and it keeps me from having to worry about any unexpected consequences of the box receiving or transmitting IPv6 traffic, which I currently know so little about that I worry about it. Corey
Penned by Corey on 20091206 13:52.42, we have: | I'll don the Nomex here and say that rather than turning IPv6 "off", | I just block it with pf. I don't know if that is what the OP wants, | but it is relatively simple to do (as opposed to twiddling things in | the kernel) and it keeps me from having to worry about any | unexpected consequences of the box receiving or transmitting IPv6 | traffic, which I currently know so little about that I worry about | it. | | Corey Between pf, 'ifconfig em0 -inet6' and 'echo family inet4 >> /etc/resolv.conf' you should have about all the anti v6 knobs a budding newbie should need. Me, I use IPv6 a lot. You, obviously do not. To each their own. -- Todd Fries .. todd@fries.net _____________________________________________ | \ 1.636.410.0632 (voice) | Free Daemon Consulting, LLC \ 1.405.227.9094 (voice) | http://FreeDaemonConsulting.com \ 1.866.792.3418 (FAX) | 2525 NW Expy #525, Oklahoma City, OK 73112 \ sip:freedaemon@ekiga.net | "..in support of free software solutions." \ sip:4052279094@ekiga.net \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 37E7 D3EB 74D0 8D66 A68D B866 0326 204E 3F42 004A http://todd.fries.net/pgp.txt
Hi, ...on Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 05:15:14PM -0600, Todd T. Fries wrote: > Between pf, 'ifconfig em0 -inet6' and 'echo family inet4 >> /etc/resolv.conf' > you should have about all the anti v6 knobs a budding newbie should need. Thanks for putting all the required info into one place. Alex.
You dont need tn3270 either, but strangely enough I never see "how do I remove all files that give OpenBSD support for talking tn3270" from the IPv6-remover crowds. There is space to be saved there, for sure.
Hey! I use tn3270.
Well actually c3270 as it is a bit saner when remapping keys.
But I was very presently surprised to find tn3270 in base. Saved my day
once.
And thread hijack. As far as I can tell wscons does not send/set
Shift+Fn keys.
was sort of looking for them as I like to map that to PF11-PF22
It was quite the adventure trying to figure out how(and in what form) a
key gets to the app.
again a sort of nonquestion.
I think it is
key
wscons set this via wsconsctl
termcap/terminfo might be able to set it here but termcap scares me
tn3270/c3270 hah yet another keymap
so minimum 3 different keymaps add X to the mix and it adds it's own
freakish system into the mix.